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elke @ijomeli@void.rehab
5mo
once again, dismantling binary gender norms doesnt mean being shitty to people who have a binary gender identity/want to present themselves that way, stop conflating these things
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princess pancake butterfly_​neofox_lesbian @natty@astolfo.social
5mo
@ijomeli I mean like how do you reconcile the two? A binary does not include a spectrum but a spectrum includes two binary points. So yeah there's nothing wrong with presenting that way on the spectrum and they don't owe the spectrum creatures anything, but they also can't expect everyone to act binary around them? That's what bugs me. The fear I'd be told by someone like that I need to hide my gender if they invited me over somewhere. Not in the "take off your shoes" way, but the dinner with that one racist uncle kind
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princess pancake butterfly_​neofox_lesbian @natty@astolfo.social
5mo
@ijomeli If I wanted to be told being non-conforming (see the problem?) is subhuman I'd just talk to my parents. I'm all for cishet-passing people doing whatever they are doing but having one's identity defined as the exclusion of someone else's feels so icky neofox_flop
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princess pancake butterfly_​neofox_lesbian @natty@astolfo.social
5mo
@ijomeli I get kinda incomprehensible when rambling about this stuff, and I hate the arguments about this shit, because it ends up sounding like conflating norms and identities, I'm just annoyed at the framing of the whole thing, because there is nothing wrong with it in the queer framework (and 99% of the time we don't even bat an eye), until it somehow gets twisted into a super exhausting argument as people unpack their baggage into an RSD feedback loop
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snail on head @nellePoint@limbo.town
5mo
@natty @ijomeli this is not what she is talking about.

people who are unaccepting of non-gender binary conforming creatures and on the binary are different than those trying to present on the binary and are accepting as others.

what she is saying is people need to stop attacking creatures who present as binary simply for being binary. and no other reason.

clearly people being shitty about existing outside the binary is a problem, and should be told off, but for being shitty and not for being binary.
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